Posts by Nathan Natas

charles taze russell, its founder, (was a presbyterian, then a congregationalist, then a skeptic, then an adventist, and finally originated his own brand).

see http://watchtower.observer.org/.

Kenneson said, "Herbert W. Armstrong's group is known as the Worldwide Church of God. I don't think he was affiliated with the Watchtower Society. Anyone know for sure?"
You are correct, Kenneson, HWA was contemporaneous with the WTB&TS, and happened to pick some of the same special dates as the WTB&TS - 1975 - but for entirely different reasons.
There are many ways to fall out of the STUPID tree, but they all arrive at the same place - on the ground.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

Nathan Natas

Two thoughts:

First, you say, "They don’t read apostate stuff." I wonder who decides for them what is "Apostate Stuff"?

Second, you mentioned that "This group of JWs still believe that God is at some point going to intervene into man’s affairs." That delusion is probably the last to die.

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CO Comes Up With A New Way To Be Judgemental...

by JW_Rogue in

at the latest co visit something very strange happened.

during the meeting with the elders and servants he passed out a copy of a hypothetical publisher card and asked us what we could learn from it.

upon receiving it i saw that the average hours were pretty good, it had return visits and quite a few bible studies.

Nathan Natas

I think it is possible that the GB has realized that it is very easy for a publisher to be virtually inactive but reporting good hours. Only by having the publishers show up and go out in the not-"Bible-based" D2D work can the shepherds be certain the aren't being lied to.

They fail to grasp that a person could use the D@D as a mild fitness routine and never ring any doorbells, or use the opportunity to discuss anything other than the "good news" while at the door.

In short, the attitude of "You want me to go through the motioons? OK, I'll go through the motions" will increase, because the GB has completely removed the basis for ant feeling of "urgency" about D2D work; they have cut their organizational throat.

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Did Ray Franz manage to live out a comfortable retirement from the proceeds of his books.

by joe134cd in

i'm just curious if anybody knows.

firstly i don't take issue with the man making money from his books and if he was able to live comfortably from it then i say power to him.

but what i'm wanting to know was just how successful was it and did it allow him to live out the remainder of his years in comfort e.g buy a house, eat good food etc.

Nathan Natas

I find it amusing and ironic that people who probably pirated their own copy of "COC" and/or "ISOCF" are now wondering if Ray enjoyed a rich and prosperous life with the "income" provided by the sale of his books.

Now perhaps I'm being unfair. Perhaps the person raising this question is not one of those who were so EAGER to produce "free" digital versions of Ray's books. They might even claim to be shocked to learn that any member of the XJW community would parasitize the strenuous work of someone as "holy" as Ray Franz was.

In the words of Madame Clinton, "at this point, what difference does it make?" You see both Ray and his widow are now dead and beyond any comfort you might offer.

...but if you have any money you'd like to donate to Ray, send it to me and I'll make sure he gets it.

No, REALLY!

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How to post photos from Mac?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

there's no "image url.

" .

coco.

Nathan Natas

Scotch tape, or, failing that, Scotch.

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ONE MORE TIME! The world ended Thursday - did you notice?

by Nathan Natas in

hear: http://audiocdn.ebiblefellowship.com/questions/interviews/2015.10.06_mccann_-_interview_with_alan_colmes_on_fox_news_radio.mp3

Nathan Natas

It was FABULOUS! SIMPLY FABULOUS!

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ONE MORE TIME! The world ended Thursday - did you notice?

by Nathan Natas in

hear: http://audiocdn.ebiblefellowship.com/questions/interviews/2015.10.06_mccann_-_interview_with_alan_colmes_on_fox_news_radio.mp3

Nathan Natas

hear: http://audiocdn.ebiblefellowship.com/questions/interviews/2015.10.06_McCann_-_Interview_with_Alan_Colmes_on_Fox_News_Radio.mp3

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Could "this generation" inspire a new "1975 debacle"?

by Island Man in

i think that it's possible that they're getting ready to issue a new end time date insinuation like they did with 1975. now i know what some of you are probably thinking: why would they be so stupid as to repeat such a mistake, knowing what happened in 1975?

well here're two reasons why i think they could do it:.

first, it's important to remember that they are deluded.

Nathan Natas

The expectations, speculations and anticipations just keep coming from this idiotic organization, regardless of how often "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" issues warnings against such memery, because that same "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is the primary violator of these warnings and the leading source of all the bullshit expectations, speculations and anticipations!

That is why years ago ( about 12 years ago), when the series of "just as the days of Noah" nonsense was going on, those of us who had been around and had our eyes open were able to confidently predict that a new date was gestating.

see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/61905/after-2034-what-then

and use the "search" function in the upper-right-corner of this page to search for "2034".

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Who am I to screw up their happiness?

by Crazyguy in

that was the question to me tonight.

because of their beliefs they have a moral compass, a net work of friends and a support group.

they have what they believe is a loving god.

Nathan Natas

When that question is asked of The Watchtower, they reply -

"When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning?" -- THE WATCHTOWER January 15,1974

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. YOU have the same right to expose dangerous erroneous beliefs that they do. The fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have become a group of weak, trembling sisters who know they cannot defend their stupid and dangerous beliefs, so they hide behind the skirt of religious liberty and cries of "intolerance!" when they are challenged.